Who’s turning the ball over?
Posted by kj on Tuesday, December 9th, 2008
Coming into this season, we thought MSU might have finally beaten the turnover bug. They had ended the 2007-08 season by posting sub-20% turnover percentages in nine of their final 11 games.
To date, though, turnovers continue to be the team’s weak point on offense this season. Their turnover percentage of 21.0% ranks 163rd in the nation, dragging their offensive efficiency down to a ranking of 83rd nationally. They haven’t had a turnover blow-up of Iowa-on-the-road-in-2008 proportions, but they did put up a fairly ugly 25.3% TO% in the loss to North Carolina.
We’ve talked before about how hard it is to diagnose turnover problems using statistics. One fairly straightforward method is to look at which players are responsible for the turnovers statistically. This isn’t perfect, since multiple players can actually be at fault for a given turnover, but it provides a rough sense of where the problems are.
Below are the turnover rates and minutes-played percentages for Spartan players getting significant PT for both last season and this season. These are the old Wonk-style turnover percentages–turnovers per 100 possession on the floor–not the Kenpom version, which accounts for how involved a player is in the team’s offense. (The Kenpom individual stats aren’t up yet.) Players are sorted by their current-season turnover rates, highest to lowest.
In retrospect, we might have expected MSU to struggle with turnovers following the graduation of Drew Neitzel, who put up a sub-3.0 turnover percentage last season despite handling the ball as much as any MSU player. Drew Naymick also played turnover-free ball, although that’s to some extent a function of the fact he was rarely an integral part of the offense.
Offsetting Neitzel’s departure has been Kalin Lucas’ stellar ball-handling efficiency to date. He’s reduced his TO% from 5.1% to 2.1% despite being the primary ball-handler every possession he’s on the floor. His back-up, Korie Lucious, on the other hand, has struggled with turnovers in his limited minutes.
Looking at the front court, this is another area where Goran Suton’s injury has hurt. Despite Suton’s reputation for making bone-headed plays with the ball, he actually turns the ball over at a low rate (3.9% last season) relative to other big men who handle the ball frequently. Three of the players who have played more minutes due to his absence–Idong Ibok, Durrell Summers, and Marquise Gray–are all players who turn the ball over at a 5.0%+ rate. (Gray has at least reduced his TO rate from last year, even as he’s been more involved in the offense this season.) Draymond Green has been the exception among the frontcourt players filling in for Suton, as he’s turnover it over only 2 times in 75 minutes.
The other frontcourt player who’s turned it over with frequency is Delvon Roe. This seems to largely be a case of Roe trying to make moves on offense he’s not really ready to make as he recovers from the knee surgeries. And he’s probably been asked to handle the ball in the paint more than he would be if Suton were on the court.
So, like our overall hopes, improvement in this team’s propensity to hold on to the ball may hinge on (1) getting Suton back and (2) Roe continuing to get healthier. Korie Lucious settling down and playing within the structure of the offense is a third key.
Final note: While there’ve been fewer traveling issues for Raymar Morgan this season, his turnover rate has only gone down a smidge. It seems like offensive fouls have been the bigger problem this season. We may have to accept that Morgan’s offensive game is going to cost the team a few possessions per game. The key is for Morgan to make up for those possessions by scoring efficiently on a more consistent basis when his offensive moves don’t end in a turnover.
What say the rest of you? Have any particular types of turnovers stood out to you so far this season? My own intuition is that the team is making fewer brain-lock turnovers this season; more of them seem to be coming on plays in which the players are at least attacking the basket.
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9 Responses to “Who’s turning the ball over?”
SpartanDanon 10 Dec 2008 at 2:22 am 1I’d agree that the turnovers this year seem to be more a function of aggression rather than stupidity. There haven’t been anywhere near as many “WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?!” moments. It feels like a lot of the turnovers are happening when we’re running the break and just a little off; that should reduce a bit as the guys get more comfortable with the faster pace.
Moothekowon 10 Dec 2008 at 6:53 am 2I feel like we commit a _lot_ of charges this year (most resulting from bone-headed decisions – like Summers deciding he’s going to try to jump over a player who has been set in his defensive position for about an eternity rather than passing off to the open player next to him on a fast break).
MKon 10 Dec 2008 at 10:11 am 3I agree with you guys!
I think Summers has been called for offensive foul near the rim almost every game in this season. I cannot forget Walton’s sad look in Bradley game after failed 3-to-1 fastbreak: Walton was telling Summers “why? here are two of us. why?” Having said that, I like Summers’ energy, and I guess he is excited about his playing time this season. I am sure he will learn when not to jump over.
Maybe if we do a-turnover-drinking-game, will it go away?
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swartsjon 10 Dec 2008 at 2:35 pm 6Hey,
Just trying to get some information on Suton. I just moved to Colorado and have been out of the Spartans loop. I understand its a knee injury but how long is he out. I have only been able to watch the maryland and unc games(I hope im not a curse). My biggest fear going into the season was Suton hurt or always in foul trouble.
A little help???
Thanks,
Josh
kjon 10 Dec 2008 at 4:03 pm 7This is the last thing we’ve heard, Josh:
http://www.spartansweblog.com/.....on-update/
Hopefully, we’ll have him for the start of Big Ten play.
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spartanproduceron 10 Dec 2008 at 8:17 pm 9it still seems like we’re making too many “brain lock” TO’s. Against UNC, first half, setting up the offense 35 feet from the basket, someone throws Lucious a pass that’s too high and it goes off his hands out of bounds, even though there’s no defensive pressure.
Then against Bradley, Lucious in a similar spot, throws one over Walton’s head out of bounds, again with no pressure. Sunday we also had at least three TOs throwing long football type passes to Gray on fast breaks where he wasn’t open.
This second group may be attributed to aggressiveness, though the offenders were Allen and Summers, who still need to improve their decision making, but all in all if we cut down the reallly dumb ones and got another five possessions a game, we’d be a lot better.
Though I haven’t seen us do the “other team scores, grab ball and throw it right to the other team” one yet.