Comments on: Too much Ringer? http://www.spartansweblog.com/2008/09/06/too-much-ringer/ A statistical look at Michigan State basketball, with a dash of football talk Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:34:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Spartans Weblog » FO on Ringer http://www.spartansweblog.com/2008/09/06/too-much-ringer/comment-page-1/#comment-7403 Spartans Weblog » FO on Ringer Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:33:31 +0000 http://www.spartansweblog.com/?p=380#comment-7403 [...] the decline in Ringer’s average yards/carry from 5.9 last year to 4.8 this year.  While I certainly agree that Ringer’s workload is a cause for concern for MSU fans–and won’t be good for [...] [...] the decline in Ringer’s average yards/carry from 5.9 last year to 4.8 this year.  While I certainly agree that Ringer’s workload is a cause for concern for MSU fans–and won’t be good for [...]

]]> By: witless chum http://www.spartansweblog.com/2008/09/06/too-much-ringer/comment-page-1/#comment-3097 witless chum Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:52:21 +0000 http://www.spartansweblog.com/?p=380#comment-3097 "I don’t buy the theory of the full O being kept under wraps until the Big Ten season. Wouldn’t unwrapping some of the full O been very useful in a winnable game against Cal?" I was talking about the EMU game and was speculating that was part of the reason they just kept pounding it with Ringer. “I don’t buy the theory of the full O being kept under wraps until the Big Ten season. Wouldn’t unwrapping some of the full O been very useful in a winnable game against Cal?”

I was talking about the EMU game and was speculating that was part of the reason they just kept pounding it with Ringer.

]]> By: Mark in DC http://www.spartansweblog.com/2008/09/06/too-much-ringer/comment-page-1/#comment-3096 Mark in DC Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:24:30 +0000 http://www.spartansweblog.com/?p=380#comment-3096 I have no problem with Ringer being our primary back and getting the bulk of the carries. Lots of recent teams have heavily used one back with success. However, I don't think those teams would have run their primary back 34 times in a blowout win against a MAC team. I think the coaches want to keep Ringer in the Heisman race, and to stay in it he has to get a lot of carries every game or he won't put up sufficient numbers. I'd have liked to see him spelled a little more in this game, but in the games that mean something I would not have a problem giving him 30 - 40 carries. I have no problem with Ringer being our primary back and getting the bulk of the carries. Lots of recent teams have heavily used one back with success. However, I don’t think those teams would have run their primary back 34 times in a blowout win against a MAC team. I think the coaches want to keep Ringer in the Heisman race, and to stay in it he has to get a lot of carries every game or he won’t put up sufficient numbers. I’d have liked to see him spelled a little more in this game, but in the games that mean something I would not have a problem giving him 30 – 40 carries.

]]> By: DP99 http://www.spartansweblog.com/2008/09/06/too-much-ringer/comment-page-1/#comment-3088 DP99 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:00:58 +0000 http://www.spartansweblog.com/?p=380#comment-3088 I don't buy the theory of the full O being kept under wraps until the Big Ten season. Wouldn't unwrapping some of the full O been very useful in a winnable game against Cal? I don’t buy the theory of the full O being kept under wraps until the Big Ten season. Wouldn’t unwrapping some of the full O been very useful in a winnable game against Cal?

]]> By: witless chum http://www.spartansweblog.com/2008/09/06/too-much-ringer/comment-page-1/#comment-3083 witless chum Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:45:40 +0000 http://www.spartansweblog.com/?p=380#comment-3083 It scares me that we're riding Ringer this much early, too, but I think it may be partly about keeping our full O somewhat under wraps until we hit the meat of the Big 10 schedule. Also, as Coach D says, it's about physically pounding on EMU (and presumably FAU) and establishing toughness and confidence in the players minds. It's also the safer move in a game like this. MSU could lose a shootout with a team that doesn't match us physically, but we'll win grinding it out and keeping their offense off the field. MSU held the ball for a long time in that first half, so even when we didn't score, EMU's D was getting worn down and their offense was on the field to pull some quick strike score. It scares me that we’re riding Ringer this much early, too, but I think it may be partly about keeping our full O somewhat under wraps until we hit the meat of the Big 10 schedule. Also, as Coach D says, it’s about physically pounding on EMU (and presumably FAU) and establishing toughness and confidence in the players minds.

It’s also the safer move in a game like this. MSU could lose a shootout with a team that doesn’t match us physically, but we’ll win grinding it out and keeping their offense off the field. MSU held the ball for a long time in that first half, so even when we didn’t score, EMU’s D was getting worn down and their offense was on the field to pull some quick strike score.

]]> By: kj http://www.spartansweblog.com/2008/09/06/too-much-ringer/comment-page-1/#comment-3066 kj Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:45:17 +0000 http://www.spartansweblog.com/?p=380#comment-3066 Doesn't appear the game plan will be changing with respect to Ringers' touches. http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2008/09/ringers_backups_get_minimal_wo.html <i>At this point, it doesn't look like offensive coordinator Don Treadwell is inclined to commit to a two-back rotation like last season when Ringer shared the duties with Jehuu Caulcrick. "We continue to look for ways to get Javon Ringer the ball," Treadwell said.</i> Doesn’t appear the game plan will be changing with respect to Ringers’ touches.

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/.....al_wo.html

At this point, it doesn’t look like offensive coordinator Don Treadwell is inclined to commit to a two-back rotation like last season when Ringer shared the duties with Jehuu Caulcrick.

“We continue to look for ways to get Javon Ringer the ball,” Treadwell said.

]]> By: wife of a spartan http://www.spartansweblog.com/2008/09/06/too-much-ringer/comment-page-1/#comment-3063 wife of a spartan Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:00:32 +0000 http://www.spartansweblog.com/?p=380#comment-3063 We too thought it was a lot of touches. Ringer is quite strong, however, run, run, run gets predictable. It didn't seem like we threw on first down enough. I only remember one nice completion on first down, where we said finally a pass play on first down. If Treadwell is trying to lull the secondary into covering the run, we need to pass too to take advantage of that. Agree that 4-6 yards against EMU does not translate into even 3 yards run in the big ten which will not be enough yardage to get it done. Cousins looked good, great for him to get some time. Boy are we paper-thin at Safety. At this point i think Wiley is as essential to this team as Hoyer and Ringer. In fact Cousins and A. Anderson looked like better back ups than Fortner (who did get a lot of quality time with Davis-Clark out), and i'm not even sure of the depth behind them besides the 2 freshmen safeties, one of whom had some off-the-field trouble a few weeks ago. Jenrette needs to get his personal business taken care of and get back to the team. We too thought it was a lot of touches. Ringer is quite strong, however,
run, run, run gets predictable. It didn’t seem like we threw on first down enough. I only remember one nice completion on first down, where we said finally a pass play on first down.

If Treadwell is trying to lull the secondary into covering the run, we need to pass too to take advantage of that. Agree that 4-6 yards against EMU does not translate into even 3 yards run in the big ten which will not be enough yardage to get it done.

Cousins looked good, great for him to get some time. Boy are we paper-thin at Safety. At this point i think Wiley is as essential to this team as Hoyer and Ringer.

In fact Cousins and A. Anderson looked like better back ups than Fortner (who did get a lot of quality time with Davis-Clark out), and i’m not even sure of the depth behind them besides the 2 freshmen safeties, one of whom had some off-the-field trouble a few weeks ago. Jenrette needs to get his personal business taken care of
and get back to the team.

]]> By: Spartan Sports Page http://www.spartansweblog.com/2008/09/06/too-much-ringer/comment-page-1/#comment-3049 Spartan Sports Page Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:03:08 +0000 http://www.spartansweblog.com/?p=380#comment-3049 I think Ringer's excessive usage is mainly due to the fact that they have n'testablished a strong number 2. Andre Anderson looked good on his limited carries and may spell Ringer more often as we go through the season. I think Ringer’s excessive usage is mainly due to the fact that they have n’testablished a strong number 2. Andre Anderson looked good on his limited carries and may spell Ringer more often as we go through the season.

]]> By: Dr Huxtable http://www.spartansweblog.com/2008/09/06/too-much-ringer/comment-page-1/#comment-3039 Dr Huxtable Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:39:41 +0000 http://www.spartansweblog.com/?p=380#comment-3039 I really wanted to see them air the ball out in the 2nd half, not to run up the score, but because Hoyer really needs the reps. He wasn't awful throwing the ball today, but he wasn't exactly good either. I think this was a missed opportunity. I really wanted to see them air the ball out in the 2nd half, not to run up the score, but because Hoyer really needs the reps. He wasn’t awful throwing the ball today, but he wasn’t exactly good either. I think this was a missed opportunity.

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